Carolyn Arends is a recording artist, speaker, author, and college instructor. We talk about the ebb and flow of creative rhythms and bringing our doubts to God. We chat about:

• tending to your garden during exile as a creative person,

• and expressing emotions with God during disorientation through prayer and art,

Ted Harrow is a strategy and leadership development consultant and marriage retreat leader. We talk about:

• shifting creative energy in writing during crisis,

• resilience and managing ourselves well,

• feelings as friends to help us participate in a life of joy and wholeness,

• self talk scripts in marriage, and

• being people of light in the middle of confusion.

In this episode, Alice and I talk about:

• What she's doing to make the arts accessible to all kids,

• How Hip hop lessons on Zoom are keeping students connected,

• What happened when coronavirus took the lives of 6 people in her church community,