Carolyn Arends is a recording artist, speaker, author, and college instructor. We talk about the ebb and flow of creative rhythms and bringing our doubts to God. We chat about:

• tending to your garden during exile as a creative person,

• and expressing emotions with God during disorientation through prayer and art,

Michelle Nezat hosts the More Than a Song podcast, where she connects contemporary Christian music to God's truth. She's also a writer, speaker, school administrator and Cajun girl.